anyway, in mid september last year, this was funny. and i hope it didn't ruin the guy's life. rick perry, the guy who was much celebrated, led the gop feel for a while. many thought he'd win this thing until some lackluster debate gave primary voters second thoughts. and then came this moment. november 9th, big debate, here he is trying to remember the three government agencies he wants to get rid of. let's watch. >> and i will tell you, it's three agencies of government when i get there that are gone. commerce, education and the -- what's the third one there? let's see. >> five. >> oh, five. okay, commerce, education and the, um, um -- >> epa? >> epa. there you go. >> seriously, is epa the one you're talking about? >> no, sir, no, sir. we're talking about the, um, agencies of government. epa needs to be rebuilt.